What I learned from rereading The Fish That Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America's Banana King by Rich Cohen.
Sam Zamuri, the subject of this episode may be the highest agency person that I've ever come across.
And that's saying a lot, because every single person that you and I study on Founders podcast is high agency.
The way I think about a high agency person is the world doesn't happen to them, they happen to the world.
I made this episode over a year ago and I wanted to republish it so you can listen to it again.
I think this story is that important, and I'll actually tell you what reminded me of Sam's incredible life story in a minute.
First, I want to tell you about eight sleep.
One of the most unique things about this podcast is that I know the founder of every company that advertises on founders.
All of them listen to founders.
So it makes building a relationship a lot easier.
And the reason I do this is because I only want sponsors of the podcast that live and breathe their product.
In every case, we share the same obsession for the quality of the products that we're making and the businesses that we are building.
And so eight sleep is one of.
The sponsors of this episode and the founder, Mateo and I actually live in the same city.
A few months after I started to use eight sleep, I randomly ran into Mateo at a restaurant.
I went over to say hi.
When I got back to my table, my friend asked me who I was talking to and I said, oh thats Matteo, the founder of eight sleep.
And then my friend said the funniest thing ever.
He replied, he goes, oh, he looks like he gets good sleep.
Mateo is living and breathing his product.
I never before I had any sleep ever, ever had the ability to change the temperature of my bed before I got an eight sleep mattress.