519. Has Globalization Failed?

519.全球化失败了吗?

Freakonomics Radio

社会与文化

2022-10-20

46 分钟
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It was supposed to boost prosperity and democracy at the same time. What really happened? According to the legal scholar Anthea Roberts, it depends which story you believe.

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  • So one big promise of globalization was that countries, as they became more integrated in the global economy, would also modernize on a political dimension.

  • Some people argued that economic globalization was going to be the US's best ever effort at spreading democracy.

  • I'm curious how successful or unsuccessful you think that's been.

  • One of the things that I think has clearly come out from both Russia and China is that that has not borne fruit in quite the way the United States may have hoped.

  • But part of it may also be that the US may be retelling that story a little bit.

  • It may have been that they wanted to say that it was about democracy, but actually a lot of it was also just about their own economic interests.

  • And now their understanding of their economic interests have changed.

  • What kind of stories do we tell ourselves about economic globalization?

  • About how countries interact and compete with each other?

  • That is a question Anthea Roberts has spent years thinking about.

  • She is a lawyer by training and now a professor at the Australian National University.

  • She is also the co author, with Nicholas Lamp, of a book called six faces of Globalization.

  • Who wins, who loses, and why it matters.

  • Their main point is simple, but also profound.

  • We all tell stories about our economic lives, we as individuals and countries, too, but we don't all tell the same story.

  • Maybe you prefer the story about how a rising tide lifts all boats, or the story about how China is stealing America's jobs.

  • Or maybe the one about how our planet is on an unsustainable trajectory and that GDP is a terrible measure of prosperity.

  • Most of us, when we subscribe to one of these stories, we tend to discount or ignore the others.

  • Yours surely is the right story.

  • The others must be wrong.