What is up, daddy?
Gang?
It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with call her daddy.
Daddy.
Daddy.
Megan Devine, welcome to call her daddy.
Thank you.
Glad to be here.
You are a psychotherapist and grief expert in your book.
It's okay that you're not okay.
You write, all of us are going to experience deep grief or loss at some point in our lives.
Loss is a universal experience.
You began your grief advocacy work when you realized the way society, and unfortunately many therapists handle grief is flawed.
How did you experience this firsthand?
Okay, so there's a lot in there.
I want to start just by referencing that part of the book where I say that everybody's going to experience deep grief.
And I think something that has become, I don't know, understood in a different way over the last couple of years is that everyday life is full of grief.
So when, as, as you and I are talking about grief, it's not just something that belongs to an out of order death or something incredibly traumatic.
That grief is a big spectrum.
And I say that as a lead in to your question, which was how did I learn that the way that we deal with grief in this culture is so screwed up?