Dario Amodei has been anxious about A.I. since before it was cool to be anxious about A.I. After a few years working at OpenAI, he decided to do something about that anxiety. The result was Claude: an A.I.-powered chatbot built by Anthropic, Mr. Amodei’s A.I. start-up. Today, Mr. Amodei joins Kevin and Casey to talk about A.I. anxiety and why it’s so difficult to build A.I. safely. Plus, we watched Netflix’s “Deep Fake Love.”
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Casey, I just want to note that you have procured what I think is probably the most hardcore fidget spinner ever to exist.
It looks like something like a prop from a death metal show.
It's got flames coming out of it.
This is not a normal fidget spinner.
Yeah, I would describe it as looking like a skeletal birdhouse where it has these sort of very sharp beak like outcroppings.
And it does look.
If I hurled it with enough force, I could break your skin.
The message that it's sending, at least to me here in the studio, is not only I am extremely anxious, but also I will kill you.
That's the sort of energy I try to bring.
You know, it's a sort of very hostile, murderous energy, and that's why we're killing it.
I'm Kevin Ruse, a tech columnist at the New York Times.
I'm Casey Newton from platformer, and you're.
Listening to hard fork.
This week on the show, anthropic CEO Dario Amade stops by to tell us what it's like to run the most anxious company in AI.