2024-07-16
37 分钟The Dunning-Kruger effect is a rare psychological concept that has achieved pop culture fame. David Dunning -- the lead author and one of the world’s most-cited psychologists -- joins Adam to discuss his famous findings about the arrogance of ignorance, the challenges of knowing what you don’t know, and the dangers of “doing your own research.” Then David and Adam uncover strategies for overcoming overconfidence among amateurs as well as experts.Transcripts for ReThinking are available at go.ted.com/RWAGscripts
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This question I've always wanted to know is, when people are wrong, how much might they know or suspect that they're wrong?
Or they completely blind to it?
And so we decided to go forth and see.
Hey, everyone, it's Adam Grant.
Welcome back to rethinking my podcast on the science of what makes us tick with the Ted audio collective.
I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.
My guest today is psychologist David Dunning.
If you've heard of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Yep, he's that Dunning.
It's the famous finding that those who can't do are the most likely to overestimate what they can do.
We're often ignorant of our own ignorance.
Living with Dunning Kruger, and we all do live with Dunning Kruger.
I'm quite, quite comfortable with being wrong, or other people, or even the experts being wrong and changing the path.
You don't want to think in terms of absolutes.
You want to think in terms of ideas or bets and be willing to change course.
David is on the University of Michigan faculty.
He's one of the world's most cited psychologists, and he's full of insight on overcoming overconfidence.
I would love to know what got you interested in confidence as a topic.
Well, I've always been interested in to what extent do people's perceptions of the world match the reality of the world.