2024-06-25
38 分钟Gabrielle Zevin wrote the runaway bestseller Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, but she doesn’t expect anyone to know most of her other nine books. The acclaimed novelist joins Adam to discuss how to face failure, find inspiration, make sure success doesn't hinder creativity, and stay motivated when your goals don't align with your skills. Then, they riff on the most important elements of a story and several mic drop moments in her work. Transcripts for ReThinking are available at go.ted.com/RWAGscripts
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I've had books that did really well.
I had books that have done less well, and I've gotten really good at failing.
And I'm proud that I'm good at it.
You know, I'm proud that I don't experience it as devastating.
Hey, everyone, it's Adam Grant.
Welcome back to rethinking my podcast on the science of what makes us tick with the Ted audio collective.
I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.
My guest today is Gabrielle Zevin.
She's best known as the author of Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, which won the Goodreads Choice Award for the best fiction of 2022.
It's her 10th book, and it might be my favorite novel published in the past decade.
While the book is more for me than maybe some of the others have been, it is with a great awareness of all the yous that exist on the other side of the thing that you have made.
The book centers on two characters, Sadie and Sam, who start a video game company together.
I was torn between racing through it to find out what happened and savoring every sentence so it would never end.
When I finished it, I went through withdrawal.
What do you mean?
These characters in their world don't exist.
I managed that by inviting Gabrielle to my podcast to discuss the many questions she raised about success and failure, creativity and collaboration and friendship.
I have a confession to make, which is okay.
I love tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow so much that I'm afraid to read your other books.