2024-06-11
39 分钟Justin Trudeau has served as the Prime Minister of Canada since 2015. And there’s a lot to dig into from his years in office — and from his life before, as well. Adam sits down with him to discuss lessons learned about leadership. The Prime Minister opens up for the first time about his early struggles with impostor syndrome and how he maintains his motivation in the face of disapproval and criticism today. He also shares how he encourages people to speak truth to power, where his team is challenging him to improve right now, why he considered quitting, and what keeps him awake at night.Transcripts for ReThinking are available at go.ted.com/RWAGscripts
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Hey, everyone, it's Adam Grant.
Welcome back to rethinking my podcast on the science of what makes us tick with the Ted audio collective.
I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.
My guest today is Justin Trudeau, prime minister of Canada since 2015.
About a month ago, I got an email out of the blue from his press secretary asking if I'd be interested in having the prime minister on my podcast.
Naturally, I said yes.
It's not every day that a head of state invites himself onto your show.
I didn't want to talk politics or even policy.
I wanted to explore leadership and psychology, how he thinks about his job, how he handles criticism and what motivates him.
And the thing that has driven me every step of my life, because that's what my father and mother modeled for me, was being a success means having a positive impact on the world around you, whatever you do.
I drove up to Ottawa to do the interview in person.
When I walked into the prime minister's office, the first thing I noticed was a Montreal Canadiens in front of the canadian flag, a clear statement about the primacy of hockey.
A few minutes later, Trudeau came in.
His entry was decidedly understated.
No entourage, no pomp and circumstance while he was getting mic'd.
I didn't want to waste his time, but I also didn't want to waste any good material.
So I went Metta and asked him how many hours he thinks he wastes a year on small talk.
He said it's not a waste of he prepped by listening to our rethinking episode with May Martin on his run that morning, and it reminded him that small talk is his way of putting people at ease.