2024-09-23
55 分钟This week, Esther is in a borrowed bedroom in Los Angeles, the perfect place to talk about desire and the novel on every bedside table, All Fours. The writer, director, and artist, Miranda July, joins Esther to examine the erotic and to explore how love and desire relate and how they conflict in modern relationships. They discuss the tension between the domestic and erotic through the lens of Esther's new desire course, which Miranda had a sneak peek at. For more details on Miranda July's book, All Fours, visit https://mirandajuly.com/all-fours/ If you are interested in Bringing Back Desire or Playing With Desire in your relationships, then click the link below for more on Esther's course The Desire Bundle: https://www.estherperel.com/course-bundles/the-desire-bundle Want to learn more? Receive monthly insights, musings, and recommendations to improve your relational intelligence via email from Esther: https://www.estherperel.com/newsletter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
I just read all fours, the new novel by Miranda July, and it's a real tour de force.
It's actually touted as a manifesto for a generation, the generation often of women 45 to 50 who are in the next biological clock crisis, which is the narrowing down of the pinnacle of their libido.
And who is wondering, is this it?
Am I going to live like this, that for another 20 years?
What's now?
I read the book and I thought, wow, this is a book, a fiction version of mating in captivity.
It explores the tension between the domestic and the erotic, between our need for safety and our need for freedom and adventure, between stability and aliveness.
And I thought, I would love to have a conversation with Miranda.
Julie, I am releasing a course on sexuality.
It's a desire bundle.
It's a duo corset for all the people who sit in my office day in, day out, talking about the dilemmas of desire, about the stalemates that they are in, about the sexual gridlocks they are experiencing, about the spark that has gone.
And I thought, how about if I read her book and I invite her to take the course and we have a conversation about desiree in relationships, particularly more so from the lens of the woman.
I invited her here in Los Angeles.
So I thought, since the book takes place in a room of her own.
A la Virginia Woolf, I am going.
To invite her not in a studio and not in an office, but I'm going to invite her in a bedroom, which is beautifully designed and where we.
Can talk very fluidly between her and her characters.
And I invite you to listen.
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