Crime and Punishment

罪与罚

The Dropout

犯罪纪实

2021-10-12

29 分钟
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This week, two jurors ask to be excused, citing stress around punishment and the responsibilities in deciding the future of Elizabeth Holmes. A young woman, with unusual ties to this case, gives her perspective as a trial observer, and a veteran Silicon Valley investor puts the Theranos saga in larger context.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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  • Previously on the dropout, Theranos former lab director spoke of his grave concerns about the company's practices and technology.

  • So you go to Elizabeth's office and what did you say to her?

  • We really need to perform proficiency because it's been almost a year, so we're in violation.

  • In court, he testified about his warnings to a nervous Elizabeth not to go forward with a Walgreens launch before he says the technology was ready.

  • The question will be, did she have enough information so that her representations can be deemed to be fraudulent and with an intent to defraud?

  • This week, the heated cross examination concludes, and we hear from a veteran Silicon Valley investor who puts the Theranos debacle in larger context.

  • From ABC audio, this is the dropout Elizabeth Holmes on trial episode eight, crime and punishment in a trial filled with unexpected disruptions, this week proved no different.

  • This time it came from the jury pool when juror number four, a woman whod originally disclosed that English was her second language, came forward with some troubling news.

  • The juror informed the court shed been having anxiety about the issue of punishment.

  • Specifically, juror number four said her religion, buddhism, preached love, forgiveness and compassion.

  • The notion she could be responsible for Elizabeth Holmes spending years in prison was almost too much to bear.

  • I would be so sad if Elizabeth would have to be in there for a long, long time, and then I am out here, juror number four said.

  • She said she feared her vote would impact Elizabeths future, something she couldnt square with her religious beliefs.

  • Judge Davila reminded Jurofour it was not for the jury to set the terms of punishment, only to make a determination of guilt.

  • But Jurofour said the decision weighed too heavily.

  • I would think about it all the time, every day in my life, she said, and would feel like it's my fault and feel guilty for that.

  • Judge Davila thanked juror number four for her candor, and after she left the courtroom, he turned to the attorneys to get their assessment.

  • Prosecutor Jeffrey Schenck asked the judge to excuse her.

  • These are sincerely held beliefs that are causing a significant amount of stress and anxiety, he said.

  • Defense attorney Kevin Downey didn't directly request an excusal, but also said he wouldn't stand in the way of it.