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Elias stopped eating meat when he was three or four.
His mom can't remember.
It's been so long.
He was seven when I talked to her.
And he doesn't think that anybody else should eat meat either.
And he freaks out.
He cried and pleaded at his grandmother's at New Year's when he heard that she might cook brisket until she offered not to.
There was the time that he got so upset in a restaurant, smelling the meat, cooking in the kitchen, and seeing all the people around them eat their meals that he had to go sit up front by the door.
And it kills him especially to think that his little brother might still be eating animals.
His brother Theo had just turned five at the time of this interview and emphatically is not a vegetarian.
What a surprise.