What's missing in the immigration debate

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  Npr.

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  This is the indicator from Planet Money.

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  I'm Darion Woods.

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  And I'm Adrian Ma.

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  Pop quiz, Darian.

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  According to a recent survey by Pew Research, 61% of voters say what issue is very important to them.

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  Can you guess what I'm thinking?

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  Well, I know number one is the economy, but we are here today to talk about immigration.

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  So is that what it is?

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  Yes, I guess pop quizzes are hard to do when you work on the same show together.

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  Today's topic is immigration.

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  One person who's really noticed how much of an issue this is in the news is Zeke Hernandez.

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  He's a professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton Business School.

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  And he says amid all of the coverage and the political speeches, he's really noticed two narratives about immigrants taking hold.

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  Immigrants are villains who are here to steal your job and undermine your safety and destroy American culture and our heritage.

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  The other narrative is immigrants are the poor, huddled masses who need our compassion and we must help them even if it costs us.

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  It's either kind of fear or pity.

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  I'm definitely one of the villain immigrants.

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  I was not going to say anything, but since you said it's out there in the open now.

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  But you know, Zeke says this dichotomy between fear and pity, it distracts us from the larger truth about immigrants.

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