You know, democracy, rule of law doesn't happen overnight.
I think that's.
That was a bit of the naiveism we had after the war fell.
And when you looked at a lot of African countries who became more democratic in the 90s was that if you just get democracy and vote, then you will get all of the values of a liberal democracy.
You don't get that until you have rule of law, until you understand to separate the powers of the judiciary and politics.
And this is a long way to go.
And we see that still a difficult in some Eastern European countries that is under scrutiny from the EU now on the separation of powers.
For example, Orne Solberg served as Prime Minister of Norway from 2013 to 2021 and currently leads Norway's Conservative Party in opposition.
Norway seems readier than most democracies to give one time prime ministers another shot.
Solberg's immediate predecessors, Jens Stoltenberg and Kjel Magnir Bondovic, both did two stints.
And Norway's only previous female Prime Minister, Grohalen Brundtland, did three.
Polls suggest there is every chance that the next Norwegian general election due in 2025, will return Orne Solberg to the Prime Minister's residence at Incognito Gata 18 in Oslo.
I'm Andrew Muller and I spoke to Orne Solberg on the big interview.
Well, I wanted to start at the start.
I'm interested in what set you on a career in politics at a very, very young age.
Was there nothing else you wanted to do?
Oh yes.
I started to be active in the youth movement of the Conservative Party just before I became 16, which was in the 70s.
It was a very white and black political debate at that time among young people.
It's still the Cold War.