Andrew Boyd, the American writer, activist and CEO – or “Chief Existential Officer” of the Climate Clock – joins Georgina Godwin to discuss his new book ‘I Want a Better Catastrophe: Navigating the Climate Crisis with Grief, Hope and Gallows Humor’. Described by Brian Eno as “a new and genuinely exciting kind of realism”, it acts as a manual for processing existential questions posed by climate change. Though it might be too late to the planet to stay under 1.5C global warming, Boyd argues that it’s never too late to care. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.