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Hello.
It's 979 days since Russia began its full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Today we're speaking to these two Ukrainian men.
I feel sorry about it and I feel guilty about it.
When you're living in Ukraine at this moment, I felt like I'm betraying people that are staying.
People should have a choice if you want to go to army.
If you want to fight, you can fight.
If you don't want to go army, you shouldn't fight.
Their names, Artem and Oleh, and they both fled Ukraine in the months and years following the full scale invasion to avoid the draft.
And it's a serious issue in Ukraine right now.
It's not a massive population, certainly compared to the Russian population.
There are exhausted members of the armed forces on the front line who barely get a break and they brought in these new mobilization laws in May.
They need people to fight to keep.
This war going and finding them is proving really difficult.
This is Ukraine cast.
Ukraine Cast from BBC News.
Evil cannot be trusted.