2024-10-16
30 分钟What do digital trails tell us about the conflict? How did TikTok videos help identify Russian troop movements ahead of the full-scale invasion? And what’s it like to draw the ire of the Kremlin? The Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins also tells Victoria and Vitaly whether he’s a CIA spy and where the name of his organisation came from. And, are North Korean troops being sent to Russia’s frontline? We have more… Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov and Di Richardson. The technical producer was Ricardo McCarthy. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sara Wadeson. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480 You can join the Ukrainecast discussion on Newscast’s Discord server here: tinyurl.com/ukrainecastdiscord
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It's 965 days since Russia began its full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Today we're going to talk to a man called Elliot Higgins.
I've always really said I would really like to stop working on Russia, but they keep on doing more stuff that's worth investigating.
So here we are.
He is a towering presence and some say the godfather in the field of osint, which is open source intelligence as we know it today.
And what it means is basically finding out the things that people, the governments maybe do not want us to know, or disproving the lies that they want us to believe.
For example, Elliot Higgins and his team called Bellingcat.
They showed the route that a Russian missile launcher took from Russia and into Ukraine, where it shot down a Malaysian airliner on flight MH17 back in July 2014 and then went back to Russia.
And they also amassed the people who poisoned and tried to kill Russian opposition figurehead Alexei Navalny in 2020, which he did survive, although I know, you know, he died this year.
And he does all this not by tricks or by covert methods.
He does it all by stuff that is posted online.
There's so much to talk to him about, especially on the work they're doing on the conflict in Ukraine.
And make sure you stay listening right to the end because we're also going to talk about reports that North Koreans, many of them, thousands of them, are potentially joining the Russian army to get involved in this conflict.
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