Come Retribution

This American Life

社会与文化

2024-06-07

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Donald Trump has talked about taking retribution on his enemies since the early days of his 2024 presidential campaign. After his conviction last week in New York, his talk intensified. We try to understand what his retribution might look like by speaking with people who have the most to lose in a second Trump administration: people who believe Trump will be coming for them. Prologue: Donald Trump has talked about taking revenge on his enemies since the early days of his 2024 presidential campaign. Ira Glass talks to reporter Jonathan Karl about how Trump has placed retribution at the center of his run and what we know about how he’s thinking about it. (16 minutes) Republicans Who Crossed Trump: Reporter Alix Spiegel talks to two people with good reason to fear a second Trump administration. Former White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham spent six years with the Trumps but resigned after January 6th and wrote a scathing tell-all book about her experience. Fred Wellman worked for The Lincoln Project - a group of high-profile Republicans who pledged to keep Trump out of office during the 2020 campaign. (22 minutes) The Deep Stater: Alex Vindman became the face of the first Trump impeachment after he reported to his superiors that Trump had asked the President of Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden, the son of his political opponent. At the time, Vindman believed that his Congressional testimony would not jeopardize him; now, he and his wife Rachel are having second thoughts. (14 minutes) Four More Years: After hearing from people who dread a possible second Trump term, we hear from those who are excited about it. Reporter Zoe Chace checks into whether his supporters are excited for retribution. (7 minutes)
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  • A quick warning.

  • There are curse words that are unbeeped in today's episode of the show.

  • If you prefer a beeped version, you can find that at our website, thisamericanlife.org maybe a little hard to remember now, but when Donald Trump announced he was officially running for president again, this time around, he did not seem inevitable.

  • Far from it.

  • It was a week after the midterm elections where the Trumpiest candidates lost some key races.

  • Polls show Governor Ron DeSantis beating him for the Republican nomination.

  • He had very few endorsements from other Republican politicians.

  • Jonathan Karl covered Trump's announcement for ABC News, where he's chief Washington correspondent.

  • I was at Mar A Lago.

  • It was a really flat speech.

  • He was first of all, it was teleprompter Trump, you know, he's reading from the teleprompter, and there was no fire and brimstone to it.

  • It was kind of warmed over policy proposals.

  • It was flat.

  • But we will bring our supply chains and manufacturing base back home, as we were strongly doing during the Trump administration, and we will systematically bring People tried.

  • To leave the room.

  • I mean, I was there in Mar a Lago.

  • I saw people going to the exits halfway through the speech, and at one point there were so many people leaving that they actually blocked the exits.

  • They told me it was for security reasons, but, you know, I don't think he wanted a half empty Mar A Lago ballroom at the conclusion of his presidential announcement.

  • So not a great beginning.

  • When did it turn around?