2023-11-10
31 分钟Hey there.
A quick message before we get into the show.
This episode contains graphic descriptions of violence that might be upsetting to some listeners.
As with any conversation or article about the Israel Hamas war, this episode on its own will not capture all of the complexities of the ongoing conflict.
If you're curious to hear other coverage we've done on this topic, check out our daily news show, Apple News Today, or past episodes of In Conversation.
Okay, here's the show.
This is In Conversation from Apple News.
I'm Shemitah Basu.
Today impressions from a trip to Israel with the New Yorker editor David Remnick.
There is a lot of pain and suffering right now as the violence escalates between Israel and Hamas.
This situation is intolerable.
This is David Remnick, editor of the New Yorker.
It's intolerable for Israelis to live in fear, and it's intolerable for Palestinians to live lives of occupation or blockade and misrule and immiseration.
It's intolerable.
David recently returned from a reporting trip to Israel where he visited the communities that hamas attacked on October 7 and spoke to survivors of the massacre.
1,400 people were killed, and even now, a month in, more than 200 people are still being held hostage.
It is mind boggling.
And to see or hear that being looked past, dismissed, not taken on with any empathy, no matter what your politics, is deeply disturbing.
And to say that does not discount one's pain and empathy of seeing what's happening in Gaza.
In Gaza, the situation is increasingly dire.