Aisha.
I'm Aisha Rascoe, and this is a Sunday story from up first, where we go beyond the news of the day to bring you one big story.
We're continuing with the story of Ben Spencer, a man who has been fighting what he maintains is his wrongful conviction and sentenced to life in prison.
If you haven't listened to the first part of the series, please go back and listen to that.
That's gonna give you all the background that you need.
Now, Bar, as you explained in the first episode, the 1990s were this pivotal time in the American justice system.
It was the tough on crime era, but it was also this time of technological change, including the arrival of DNA testing, which to date has helped to free about 3,600 innocent prisoners.
You told us, however, DNA didn't help Ben Spencer because police didn't obtain any DNA from the crime scene.
So while there was new hope for many wrongfully convicted, there wasn't that hope for Ben.
That's right, Aisha.
And on top of this, in the 1990s, Ben suffered a lot of personal losses.
I mean, think about it.
He lost his freedom, he lost his future, he lost his family.
When Ben was arrested, his wife was seven months pregnant.
So he lost the chance to raise his son.
But for him, the worst thing was the toll that his life sentence took on his wife, Deborah.
I talked to her and she told me it was simply agonizing.
I remember times he would call and I would just cry on the phone.
He'd say, don't cry.
You know, it's going to be okay.