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Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.
I'm Toby Gillis, joined today by Tom Noonan.
Now, on the face of it, the potential sale of a social media platform might not appear to be a story for a podcast about global security, but when it's about to be banned in the States, currently the subject of a Supreme Court appeal being moved from China to the US Donald Trump has completed a total 180 on its future.
And Elon Musk is the potential buyer.
Well, you start to look a little deeper.
The social network is TikTok, specifically its American operation.
It's due to be banned there the day before Trump is inaugurated over concerns it's a threat to national security.
But.
But any potential sale could delay that.
So is this merely a stalling tactic, or is the world's richest man and one of Trump's closest allies, of course, really keen to add TikTok to X in his portfolio?
Our guest today is our China correspondent, Richard Spencer.
Richard, why is TikTok an enemy for Joe Biden's administration?
Yeah, I mean, there are so many questions around this story and so many questions around TikTok and what will happen to it and why.
And it's kind of hard to know where to start.
I mean, this wasn't Joe Biden's idea.
I mean, that's one thing to start off with.
This was President Trump's idea.
It's this whole idea of forcing a sale of TikTok or closing it down.