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Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global Security Today with me, Tom Noonan and Alex Dibble.
Since Donald Trump said that he's open to taking control of Greenland by force, America's friends and enemies have been trying to work out just how serious he is.
Denmark has admitted it's been lax and neglected defending Greenland, which is an autonomous territory, and says it is watching Trump's threats very, very closely.
And now Russia has waded in.
Vladimir Putin's spokesman has tried to play the bigger man, saying that Russia is interested in preserving what he calls an atmosphere of peace and stability in the Arctic.
But Dmitry Peskov has also said Russia does have strategic interests in the region and has described Donald Trump's claim to Greenland as intervention.
It's worth remembering that although Russia has been focusing its military might on Ukraine, it has also been building new Arctic bases and moving its most advanced anti aircraft missiles to the Arctic.
So how should we see the Kremlin's response?
Is there an escalating crisis or is it all for show?
Our guest today is Mark Galeotti, a Russia specialist who's a senior associate fellow at the RUSI think tank and director of Mayak Intelligence.
Mark, what is your take on how Russia has reacted?
Well, it's interesting.
I mean, the key thing to say is no one in Russia seems to be taking this seriously, but nonetheless, you've got, in effect, three different communities with three different angles.
The academic and expert community are just throwing up their hands saying this is just Trump trolling the world.
You have the Kremlin and the government very happy to use this as an opportunity to allow them to sound like the reasonable, rational ones.
So, for example, you've got Dmitry Peskov, Putin's own press spokesman, saying, we're watching this situation very carefully with a certain amount of concern because we're also an Arctic power and we believe in stability.
And then you've got the more toxic and outspoken elements of the Russian commentariat and sort of propaganda apparatus who are basically buying popcorn and settling back for a show.
Happy to basically use this as an opportunity to say, you see, the Americans, they are essentially bullies and hypocrites, and this is why we always needed to stand up.