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Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.
I'm Toby Gillis.
Usually at the weekend we offer interviews from Frontline Times radio series about the Ukraine war available on YouTube, with which the World in 10 is partnered.
Today we're doing something slightly different.
On Thursday we covered Ukraine's decision to stop pumping Russian gas to mainland Europe through its pipelines after their deal expired on New Year's Day.
Today we bring you more on this with the man who used to run that program, the former head of Ukraine's state owned energy company Naftogaz Andrei Kobolev, covers the impact that the decision might have on Russia, their European allies, any diplomatic risks Ukraine might be taking with this decision, and whether the rest of the west will now pay a heavy price.
We hope you find it interesting.
I began by asking Alexey Kobolev how he thinks Russia's war effort will be impacted by losing its most direct gas pipeline to Europe.
Gas was always a very important part of Ukrainian economy and Ukraine as a country was gaining significant economic benefit out of being the transit partner for Russian gas to Europe.
However, having said all of that, as a Ukrainian citizen, I agree with Zelensky's assessment that we have cut one of Russia's tentacles into Ukraine because gas business was always a means of bribery, corruption and promotion of so called, if you know this concept, Ruskimir or Russian world that Mr.
Putin and his crony fellows love so much.
So gas and gas transit in Ukraine was part of this Russian world concept and by stopping flows of Russian gas through Ukraine also to Europe, we have cut one of those tentacles and that will definitely have dramatic negative impact on Putin's ability to influence European politics.
For example, there are at least two very well known politicians who have been openly and I would say utterly obvious promoting Russian world in Europe and among NATO members.
Those countries are Hungary and Slovakia.
Unfortunately, recently Mr.
Fitzo has been on Kremlin side quite I would say obviously they were partly sponsored and politically bribed through Russian gas by cutting gas flow through Ukraine to These guys, we have stopped that leverage being effective.
I also understand that Mr.
Putin will be looking for alternative ways.