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Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me, James Hansen and Alex Dibble.
As the year draws to a close, we are bringing you a series of episodes analyzing 2024 from a security perspective.
Yesterday we discussed what the last year has meant for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Today we are going to look in detail at where Hamas and Hezbollah themselves.
Both groups are seen as proxies of Iran, and they've both been at war with Israel, Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon, although a ceasefire in the latter conflict was agreed in November.
But it's also been a year in which both groups have been severely weakened, especially through the assassination of key leaders.
In September, Hassan Nasrallah, who had led Hezbollah since 1992, was killed in an Israeli airstrike on Beirut.
And then in October, Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, was killed during a firefight with the idf.
Our guest today is the Times correspondent Richard Spencer, who's covered the Middle east for decades.
Richard, let's start with Hamas, shall we?
How badly has Hamas been decimated in 2024?
And is Israel now closer to achieving its goals in Gaza?
It's been much harder for Israel to take out Hamas, to destroy its leadership and really cripple it as an organization than many.
At the start of the war, Israel is extraordinarily advanced in its surveillance and intelligence capabilities.
It made clear from the beginning of the war that it was going to be a no holds barred operation.
I think many people expected it to clear Gaza not quickly, but within months.
And yet here we are, well over a year later now, and the fighting's continued.
However, that said, Hamas has been shellacked very thoroughly.