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Alex Dibble and Stuart Willey.
Donald Trump's announcement that he's spoken to Vladimir Putin
and that talks to end the war in Ukraine will begin immediately blindsided many,
including, it seems, Ukraine itself and and the US's NATO allies.
It's led to a varied and very interesting response from European nations.
Yes.
Whose troops, we should remember,
may be required on the ground in Ukraine if the US's apparent plan transpires.
So after looking closely at the US side of this story in part one,
we're now going to focus on that European response with our guest,
Philip Ingram, the former NATO planner and former British military intelligence officer.
Philip, before we talk about Europe, though,
how do you think all this is going down in the Kremlin and in Moscow?
I think Putin has got a big smile on his face and is seeing this as positive.
What are we seeing here?
We're seeing him engaging and being treated as a world leader by Trump.
That's what Putin wants.