Ukraine negotiations (Part 1) - the US goes alone

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me,

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  Alex Dibble and Stuart Willey.

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  Donald Trump's call with Vladimir Putin waves the starting flag

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  on negotiations for his promise of peace for Ukraine,

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  as many European diplomats worry

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  that Ukraine has been thrown under the bus with both this announcement

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  and a bombshell speech by the new US Defense secretary on Wednesday.

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  Pete Hegseth says that's just not true.

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  There is an awful lot to go into and we're going to do that with our guest, Jim Townsend,

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  the former US Deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO policy,

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  someone well versed in transatlantic security policy after decades at the Pentagon and at NATO.

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  Jim, there's been some criticism of what's been said by Trump and Hegseth.

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  They've been accused of giving up on Ukraine.

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  Do you think their announcements are a good thing?

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  Well,

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  it's a good thing

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  that a lot of things that have been happening

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  behind the scenes are now maybe will be a bit more public.

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  It's obvious that they've been talking,

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