Europe’s hasty peacekeeping plan offers Ukraine hope

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  Today with me, Alex Dibble and Toby Gillis.

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  European nations are discussing in detail how they could send troops

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  to Ukraine as part of a potential peacekeeping mission.

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  A meeting in Paris was hastily arranged after the very tough talk

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  from the US at last week's security conferences.

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  But this meeting did not include 20 European Union leaders.

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  So as the United States and Russia meet in Saudi Arabia to discuss a potential peace deal,

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  could Europe be fracturing?

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  Our guest today is Jamie Shea,

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  the former Deputy Assistant Secretary General for emerging security challenges at NATO.

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  Jamie, if France, the UK And Sweden can get enough support for this peacekeeping mission,

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  what does boots on the ground look like, do you think, in that regard?

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  Well, it's very difficult to know before you see what the peace plan is.

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  You know,

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  cast your mind back to the years in the Balkans

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  in the 1990s when we had things like the Dayton Peace Agreement,

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  you know,

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  very detailed plans which defined very key clearly the obligations of the different parties.

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