Saudi talks reveal Russia’s hopes for Ukraine deal

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me,

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  Stuart Willey and Alex Dibble.

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  Four hours of negotiations in Saudi Arabia today ended

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  with the American Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying it's just the first step in a long

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  and difficult journey as Russia and the US Appoint teams to try

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  and find an end to the war in Ukraine.

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  There is plenty of hard diplomacy to come.

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  What Ukraine wants from these negotiations is relatively clear.

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  But today we're going to consider what Russia will be seeking from this process and why,

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  which should help us to understand everything that happens from this point onwards.

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  Our guest is Sir Laurie Bristow,

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  a longtime British diplomat who was the UK's ambassador to Moscow between 2016 and 2020.

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  Laurie, what is your view of Russia's calculations,

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  their purpose going into these negotiations and will they be leaving Riyadh happy today?

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  Well, obviously everybody is going to be very tight lipped at this stage,

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  so I wouldn't expect to see a lot of information come out for a while yet.

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  But I think the most important quotation I've seen

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  from any of the participants so far is from Yuri Ushakov.

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  That's Mr. Putin's foreign policy adviser, a real veteran of the scene in Moscow.

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