Trump warned Ukraine can keep fighting without US support

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  I'm Stuart Willey with Toby Gillis.

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  Donald Trump has blamed Ukraine for starting the war in 2022,

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  insisting Volodymyr Zelenskyy could have struck a deal to ensure it never happened.

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  He's also encouraged the Ukrainian president to announce an election,

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  claiming his approval ratings are 4% even as a Ukrainian opinion poll has them at 57.

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  Zelensky says Trump is living in a bubble of disinformation fed by the Kremlin.

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  As relations between the two appear to sour, increasingly so can they ever find an accord?

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  And is Mr. Trump right about either element?

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  Our guest today is the Ukrainian MP Alex Goncharenko.

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  Alex, in your mind, is there any deal Zelensky could,

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  could have put to the Ukrainian people back in 2022 that they'd have accepted?

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  Ukrainians never wanted this war.

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  We never wanted it from the first day till today,

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  after 1000 days of the war, even more, we want peace.

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  But the problem is that Russia, from the very first day,

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  their aim was to wipe out Ukraine from the map of the world.

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  That's all.

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  Russia is not interested.

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