Foreign.
Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me,
Tom Noonan and Stuart Willey.
Days of back and forth between Donald Trump
and Volodymyr Zelenskyy have ruffled feathers not just in Washington and Kyiv,
as the rift between the once strong allies appears to deepen.
Zelensky has met with Trump's envoy on Ukraine,
but with the post meeting press conference cancelled at the last minute,
there's been no word on how it went.
America's other allies, including NATO partners in Europe,
are alarmed by the events of the past week.
To help us get into how Europe may respond to all of this,
our guest today is Bruno Waterfield, the Times Brussels correspondent.
Bruno, how have European leaders been reacting to this war of words between Trump and Zelenskyy?
I think the Europeans are dismayed with being understatement and they're really shocked.
They're horrified
and they're particularly horrified at what they see
with Trump using Putin's language really to describe Zelensky.
It's very clear that Trump is using this language because Zelensky has spoken back as being rude,