623. Can New York City Win Its War on Rats?

623. 纽约市能否赢得这场与老鼠的战争?

Freakonomics Radio

社会与文化

2025-02-21

50 分钟
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Even with a new rat czar, an arsenal of poisons, and a fleet of new garbage trucks, it won’t be easy — because, at root, the enemy is us. (Part two of a three-part series, “Sympathy for the Rat.”)
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  • Sometimes we go to war with our neighbors, and sometimes those neighbors are rats.

  • Okay, so we're outside in New York City looking at what we call active rodent signs, or ars.

  • That is Bobby Corrigan.

  • He is an urban rodentologist, a former rodent researcher who now works for the city of New York.

  • Everyone thinks there's a rat world below our feet, and to some degree, that's true.

  • But rats have a very specific subterranean environment they need.

  • It is a cold and windy afternoon in Lower Manhattan, one of the oldest parts of the city.

  • Most of the humans have scurried back to their offices from lunch.

  • At the intersection of Murray and Church streets,

  • Corrigan points to a sidewalk curb that has collapsed in on itself.

  • And that's because the rats nearby got below the sidewalk, tunneled into this area,

  • dug out the soil so they could have a burrow in this area,

  • and now there's nothing supporting these heavy concrete pieces.

  • It's expensive to put in a new curb.

  • And where did these burrowing rats come from?

  • Just five feet away, we have the proverbial catch basin that the stormwater drains down.

  • And sometimes you'll see rats come right out of these sewers.

  • Their home is in the sewer in the middle of the street.

  • So you've got rats in the sewers, rats burrowing under the sidewalks.

  • What else can we see?