Ron Deibert: ‘We’re living in a Philip K. Dick novel.’

罗恩·迪贝尔特:“我们正生活在一部菲利普·K·迪克的小说中。”

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2025-02-25

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As his new book “Chasing Shadows” hits bookstores this month, Ron Deibert tells us about how he and his team of digital sleuths at The Citizen Lab have been holding purveyors of high-tech surveillance to account.
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  • From Recorded Future News and prx, this is Click here.

  • It's hard to even talk about the Internet as if it's just one thing,

  • because depending on when you first logged on, it can mean completely different things.

  • For some, it's this.

  • The Net began back in 1969.

  • It was a tool of the Pentagon.

  • For others, it's you've got mail or.

  • Pets.Com, because pets can't drive.

  • And now, of course, there's AI I can speak in any language.

  • Sorry, I didn't quite get that.

  • And one of the people on the front lines of this,

  • a kind of Forrest Gump of the Internet, is a Canadian named Ron Deibert.

  • Ron runs something called the Citizen Lab, and at its most basic level,

  • it's a research center that investigates how governments, corporations,

  • and bad actors use technology to do very grim things.

  • Which is interesting, because if you knew Ron as a kid,

  • you wouldn't exactly think, hmm, future cybersecurity watchdog.

  • Can you talk a little bit about growing up in Canada and your upbringing?

  • Sure.

  • I don't get asked that question very often.