Trump and Zelensky’s mineral deal - why Russia doesn’t care

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me,

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  Alex Dibble and Tom Noonan.

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  As Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy visits Donald Trump at the White House to sign their minerals deal.

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  There's still no sign at the time we record this

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  at least of a cast iron US security guarantee for Ukraine in the future.

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  That's despite the French President Emmanuel Macron and the UK Prime Minister,

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  Sir Keir Starmer, pushing for it during their own visits earlier this week.

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  So as attempt number three is made by Zelenskyy,

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  how is Russia looking at this parade of European visitors to Washington?

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  And will Vladimir Putin be more or less concerned than he was before?

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  Our guest today is Mark Galeotti, a Russia specialist and the Director of Mayak Intelligence.

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  Mark, let's start with this minerals deal which Donald Trump is talking up.

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  How big a deal is it for the Russians and are they worried?

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  Well, it's actually a pretty wishy washy document.

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  It doesn't really commit anyone to much.

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  In some ways he is framing it as a kind of alternative form of security guarantee in that

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  if all these various kind of rare earths and similar deposits are going to be exploited and,

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  and there's a huge debate actually about quite how great a value they have at the moment,

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  a lot of them are not being exploited because it's going to require technology,

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