Europe plots a path for Ukraine after Trump v Zelensky

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me,

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  Alex Dibble and Toby Gillis.

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  Friday's unprecedented row between Donald Trump and J.D. vance on one side

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  and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on the other,

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  appears to have pushed Europe into action with more urgency than ever.

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  A meeting of leaders in London aimed

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  at salvaging peace talks left British Prime Minister Sakir Starmer urging them to join a coalition of the willing to do the heavy lifting that will bring the war

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  to an end

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  and ensure an enduring peace.

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  But what will it take to do so?

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  And is it really possible?

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  With the US And Ukraine's relationship hanging.

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  By a thread, our guest today is the Times diplomatic editor, Roger Boies.

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  Roger, Sir Keir Starmer's plans are contingent still on American security guarantees.

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  Are we not actually closer than ever

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  to Donald Trump washing his hands entirely of Ukraine rather than to him agreeing to those?

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  Yeah, that's an interesting question.

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  I mean, there are different things that you have to take into account.

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  One is how much bluff is involved in all of this.

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