Is NATO’s Article 5 dead?

北约第五条款是否已名存实亡?

World in 10

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2025-03-05

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While Britain’s Prime Minister maintains that Donald Trump will ‘have our backs’ on security, concerns linger across Europe about his administration’s commitment to NATO. The Times columnist and security consultant Edward Lucas contends that Article 5 – the alliance’s cornerstone of mutual defence – provides far less assurance than many believe. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

  • This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • I'm Alex Dibble today with Stuart Willey.

  • Faith in the Trump administration's commitment to NATO has been chipped away

  • at in recent weeks after a series of speeches

  • and comments that have startled many

  • and even prompted the incoming German leader to say it it's time

  • for Europe to go it alone in security.

  • But as commentators suggest, Vladimir Putin could be emboldened by those worries.

  • The UK Prime Minister has told Parliament it's something he's talked about with Donald Trump.

  • The President made absolutely clear his commitment to Article 5 of NATO,

  • absolutely clear that he would have our backs because of the relationship between our parties,

  • and agreed that our teams would sit down together to talk through security guarantees.

  • Sir Keir Starmer mentioned there NATO's Article 5,

  • which is generally understood to mean

  • that an attack on one member of the alliance is an attack on all,

  • prompting a response from other members.

  • But given us foreign policy is shifting rapidly.

  • Is Article 5 now dead?

  • Our guest today is security consultant Edward Lucas,