I've done a few of these.
I had Dinner with episodes, Michael Ovitz being the latest one.
And I did one with John Mackey, who's the founder of Whole Foods a couple months ago.
And John Mackey told me one of the craziest things that anyone has ever said about the podcast.
By that time I had spoken to him,
he had already listened to over a hundred episodes of Founders and he said
that if founders podcasts existed when he was a young man,
Whole Foods would still be an independent company.
That since the podcast
and all of history's greatest entrepreneurs are constantly emphasizing the importance of controlling expenses,
he would have put more of a priority on it, especially during boom times,
during good times,
because it's very natural for a company
and really for human nature to just not watch your costs as closely
because everything's going so well.
And that is something that history's greatest founders all warn against.
In fact.
In fact, Andrew Carnegie has this great mantra that he would repeat over and over again.
He says profits and prices were cyclical,
subject to any number of transient forces of the marketplace.