Martin Wolf talks to Adair Turner: Can the world decarbonise fast enough?

马丁·沃尔夫与阿代尔·特纳对话:世界能否足够快速地去碳化?

The Economics Show

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2025-03-04

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The world economy is emitting carbon dioxide faster than ever before, meaning our planet is heating up faster than ever before. Martin Wolf speaks to someone who has spent much of the past two decades at the forefront of the climate debate. Lord Adair Turner chairs the Energy Transitions Commission, a think-tank focused on climate mitigation, and was previously the first chair of the UK government’s committee on climate change in 2008-12. While he fears that US President Donald Trump will act as a drag anchor on international progress in cutting emissions, he believes the EU and China can strike a deal to help the whole world transition to cheap renewable energy. Martin Wolf is chief economics commentator at the Financial Times. You can find his column here Subscribe to The Economics Show on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen. Presented by Martin Wolf. Produced by Laurence Knight. Manuela Saragosa is the executive producer. Audio mix and original music by Breen Turner. The FT’s head of audio is Cheryl Brumley. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • When I was born in 1946,

  • the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was 312 parts per million.

  • Today it is 427 parts per million.

  • That may not sound much,

  • but it means that 3/4 of all human carbon emissions have happened during my lifetime.

  • It means that the cooler, calmer climate of my childhood is gone forever,

  • or at least for a very long time.

  • And because we continue to burn fossil fuels faster than ever before,

  • it means that we are rushing headlong into a hotter, more turbulent future faster than ever before.

  • For all the sound and fury coming from Donald Trump, the war in Ukraine,

  • or China's global ambitions, this is arguably the biggest challenge facing the world.

  • And we've barely scratched the surface of it.

  • So what hope do we have of heading off the worst consequences of climate change?

  • Can we decarbonize the global economy fast enough?

  • Or is our species doomed to inflict irreversible damage on the natural systems we depend on for our well being?

  • FOREIGN.

  • This is the Economics Show.

  • I'm Martin Wolff, the FT's chief economics commentator.

  • Joining me in the studio is Lord Adair Turner,

  • a man with a long and distinguished career in business and policymaking in the uk.