What future for aid and development? With Minouche Shafik

援助与发展的未来何在?与米努什·沙菲克探讨

The Economics Show

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2025-02-27

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US President Donald Trump has frozen all foreign aid payments, while Elon Musk is putting America’s biggest development agency, USAID, “through the woodchipper”. Meanwhile, the UK government has just announced it will slash its aid budget from 0.5% to 0.3% of GDP. So are the days of generous programmes to promote health and education in the poorest nations now over? And should we fear that rising authoritarian powers, most notably China, are stepping into the breach with their own funds and parallel institutions? In an interview recorded just before the UK’s announcement, Alan Beattie speaks to economist Minouche Shafik, who is a veteran of the international development scene. She has worked at the World Bank, IMF, and the UK’s Department for International Development. And she is not optimistic. Alan writes the Trade Secrets newsletter. You can sign up here. He is on Bluesky at @alanbeattie.bsky.social.  Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen. Presented by Alan Beattie. Produced by Laurence Knight. Manuela Saragosa is the executive producer. Audio mix and original music by Breen Turner. The FT’s head of audio is Cheryl Brumley.  Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Hello, Alan Beattie here.

  • I just want to let you know

  • that the episode you're about to listen to was recorded a few short hours before the UK government announced plans to cut its aid budget from 0.5% of GDP to 0.3%.

  • Sometimes interviews get overtaken by events.

  • But as you'll hear in her very first answer,

  • my guest today proved quite prescient about what was about to happen.

  • One of the very first things that Donald Trump did upon taking office was to suspend all US foreign aid threatening the program which has put 20 million people with HIV in developing countries on antiretroviral drugs.

  • The following weekend, Elon Musk, as part of his rampage through the federal government,

  • single handedly put through the wood chipper,

  • in his own words, the U.S. agency for International Development.

  • That's the U.S. aid body,

  • which was set up by President Kennedy in 1961 and last year disbursed more than $40 billion a year in around 130 countries.

  • After several years in which budgetary constraints in rich countries had already led to aid being cut back,

  • this was a serious blow to low income countries dependent on assistance.

  • At the same time, financial flows from rising powers like China,

  • India, Saudi Arabia and Russia have been increasing.

  • What will the new world of aid and development look like and how with a,

  • let's say, turbulent outlook for geopolitics and trade mean for low and middle income countries?

  • Foreign.

  • Beatty, the FT's senior trade writer and this is the Economic show from the Financial Times.