Martin Wolf talks to Richard Baldwin: What’s the future of global trade?

马丁·沃尔夫与理查德·巴德林对话:全球贸易的未来是什么?

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2025-02-25

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Donald Trump’s tariffs are a twentieth century tool that simply won’t work in the 21st century global trading system. That’s the view of today’s guest, Richard Baldwin, professor of international economics at the IMD Business School in Lausanne, Switzerland. Speaking to the FT’s Martin Wolf, Baldwin explains how the shift towards global manufacturing supply chains since the 1990s, and the more recent explosion in digital services exports, mean that the impact of across-the-board import taxes such as the ones proposed by the new US administration will be counterproductive and much more limited than in the past. Nonetheless, should we still worry about the harm that Trump’s policies may be doing to the global trading system, and how should other countries respond? Martin Wolf is chief economics commentator at the Financial Times. You can find his column here Subscribe to The Economics Show on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Donald Trump and his team of trade advisors are approaching a 21st century problem with 20th century solutions.

  • Those scornful words were penned by my guest today in an article he wrote in 2017.

  • He was complaining about the US president's penchant

  • for imposing tariffs on America's trade partners during his first term in office.

  • If that's what he thought back then,

  • I cannot wait to hear what he makes of the newly reinaugurated president's latest round of import levies,

  • not least

  • because he's one of the world's most formidable and most eloquent and knowledgeable experts on international trade and globalization.

  • But what will be left of either trade or globalization will be after four more years of Donald Trump.

  • This is the Economics Show.

  • I'm Martin Wolff, the FT's chief economics commentator.

  • Joining me is Richard E. Baldwin, down the line from Lausanne in Switzerland,

  • where he's professor of international economics at the IMD Business School.

  • Richard is also the founder and editor in chief of Vox eu,

  • which is a highly prestigious platform where leading European economists share policy analysis.

  • And all this despite being an American.

  • Richard, welcome to the show.

  • Happy to be here.

  • Thank you, Martin.

  • Now, before we begin,