Making sense of Trump's tariffs. With Dani Rodrik

解读特朗普关税。与丹尼·罗德里克对话

The Economics Show

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2025-02-07

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Tariffs have historically been an important tool of industrial policy. They were used in the last century by east Asian nations to promote infant industries, and are being used today by the EU to help spur the energy transition. But do Donald Trump’s threats to impose a 25% across-the-board tariff on imports from Canada and Mexico, or his actual 10% tax rise on all imports from China, have any kind of thought-out policy rationale behind them? And should other countries respond in kind?  To find out, the FT’s European economics commentator Martin Sandbu speaks to Dani Rodrik, professor of international political economy at Harvard. Rodrik is one of the world’s most acclaimed experts on industrial policy, and someone Martin first got to know as a PhD student in the 1990s. Martin Sandbu writes a regular column for the Financial Times. You can find it here Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen. Presented by Martin Sandbu. Produced by Laurence Knight and Edith Rousselot. Manuela Saragosa is the executive producer. Audio mix and original music by Breen Turner. The FT’s head of audio is Cheryl Brumley. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Donald Trump has not wasted any time in his hurry to upend the global economic order.

  • Last weekend he imposed big tariffs on the US's most important trading parties.

  • He's also passed sweeping orders to undo the industrial policy of his predecessor,

  • Joe Biden, a policy that itself was a break with the earlier economic policy consensus.

  • Foreign.

  • Welcome to the Economics Show.

  • I am Martin Sadbu, the FT's European economics commentator,

  • and I'm guest hosting our economics podcast while our regular host,

  • Samaira Keynes is on maternity leave.

  • To help wrap our heads around President Trump's policy moves and discuss how the world should respond,

  • I'm joined by Danny Roderick, professor of Economics at Harvard University.

  • Danny, welcome to the show.

  • Nice to be with you.

  • Martin.

  • It's very nice to talk to you.

  • Danny and I want to start by casting our minds back to what feels like the prehistoric years of the late 1990s,

  • because that's when we first met.

  • I was a PhD student at Harvard.

  • You were already a well established professor at Harvard.

  • And what I remember is that you had just published a book called Has Globalization Gone Too Far?