Derek Thompson and Ezra Klein on Abundance

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2025-03-18

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Donald Trump won back the White House last year by stoking fears of scarcity. The zero-sum thinking of the right that says there aren’t enough houses or jobs to go around laid the groundwork for the forces of illiberalism currently at play in the federal government. In their new book, Abundance, Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson argue that to combat the politics of scarcity, liberals at every level of government must embrace abundance.  Further reading:  Abundance, by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson  Why We’re Polarized, by Ezra Klein  “Do Democrats Need to Learn How to Build?,” by Benjamin Wallace-Wells  “A Simple Plan to Solve All of America’s Problems,” by Derek Thompson “Blue States Gave Trump and Vance an Opening,” by Jerusalem Demsas  Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • The United States is the wealthiest nation on earth at a time when the world is richer than it ever has been.

  • And yet our politics are defined by scarcity.

  • Scarcity of housing,

  • of energy and even of space has allowed zero sum thinking to permeate the electorate.

  • And that has been a boon for the forces of illiberalism.

  • Donald Trump rode to victory last November fueled by zero sum thinking.

  • If there's not enough to go around, then he's your man.

  • And now the question is whether the liberal response will be to fight him on his own terms or change the script.

  • My name's Jerusalem Demsis and this is good on paper.

  • A policy show that questions what we really know about popular narratives.

  • In a new book out today titled Abundance by the New York Times,

  • Ezra Klein and the Atlantic's Derek Thompson,

  • the authors argue for a sea change in how liberals have approached politics.

  • It's a great book.

  • We'll put the link in our show notes and I'm quoting from them here.

  • We imagine a future not of less, but of more.

  • We do not subscribe to the seductive ideologies of scarcity.

  • We will not get more or better jobs by closing our gates to immigrants.

  • We will not turn back climate change by persuading, persuading the world to starve itself of growth.

  • It is not merely that these visions are unrealistic.