2025-03-20
1 小时 5 分钟Foreign.
Where each and every week we sit down with the hackers, the leaders and the innovators of the software world to pick their brain, to learn from their mistakes, to get inspired by their accomplishments, and to have a lot of fun along the way.
On this episode, I'm joined by Ilya Grigoric, distinguished engineer and technical advisor to the CEO at Shopify.
Ilya has been hard at work securing e commerce checkouts from sophisticated new attacks such as digital skimming.
And he's here to share all the technical intricacies and far reaching implications of this work.
But first, a mention of our partners at Fly IO, the public cloud built for developers who ship.
You know, we love Fly and you might too check them out at Fly IO.
Okay, Ilya Gregoric on the Changelog.
Here we go.
Well, friends, I'm here with a good friend of mine, David Hsu, the founder and CEO of Retool.
So, David, I know so many developers who use Retool to solve problems, but I'm curious, help me to understand the specific user, the particular developer who is just loving Retool.
Who's your ideal user?
Yeah.
So for us, the ideal user of Retool is someone whose goal, first and foremost is to either deliver value to the business or to be effective.
Where we candidly have a little bit less success is with people that are extremely opinionated about their tools.
If, for example, you're like, hey, I need to go use webassembly and if I'm not using webassembly, I'm quitting my job, you're probably not the best virtual user, honestly.
However, if you're like, hey, I see problems in the business and I want to have an impact and I want to solve those problems, Retool is right up your alley.
And the reason for that is Retool allows you to have an impact so quickly.
You could go from an idea, you go from a meeting like, hey, you know, this is an app that we need to literally having the app built in 30 minutes, which is super, super impactful on the business.
So I think that's the kind of partnership or that's the kind of impact that we'd like to see with our customers.