DEI went from workplace darling to Persona.
Non grata in the blink of an eye.
The thing that I loved is when I saw that the president's executive order.
Was named ending illegal discrimination, I was like, what?
Oh, my goodness.
Thank you for that gift.
Why one workplace diversity expert is embracing the change and what it could mean for your job.
That's this week on Explain It To Me new episode Sundays, wherever you get your podcasts.
Foreign.
Hello and welcome to the long form podcast.
I'm Evan Ratliff, one of the three co hosts.
The other two co hosts are Max Linsky and Aaron Lammer, and it's nice to see them here today.
Hi, you guys.
Evan, who's on the program this week?
I talked to Joseph Cox.
I have followed Joseph's work for many years.
He was over at Vice's Motherboard for a long time where he got all kinds of insane scoops around data privacy,
hacking, organized crime, surveillance.
He is like the reporter on these topics.
And now he has a book out that's called Dark Wire,