Encore: Rejecting Public Education in Arizona

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  Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service.

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  I'm Alex Last.

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  Now education is a hot topic in the United States.

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  President Donald Trump recently began taking steps to dismantle the Department of Education,

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  saying it's a waste of money and have failed students.

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  As it happens though, in the US it's the individual states,

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  not the federal government that really decide education policy.

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  The states run most of the schools and largely fund them too.

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  So back in 2024,

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  I went to Arizona to look at a revolution in its education system backed by so called school choice advocates.

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  This episode of course aired before Donald Trump was re elected president.

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  But I think it's still definitely worth a listen

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  because Arizona has been seen by top Republicans as a model for education across the United States.

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  Hi everybody.

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  Welcome, welcome.

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  Hi everyone.

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  It's early evening in a small office in Phoenix, Arizona and Rachel, a former teacher,

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  is running an online phone bank on behalf of a campaign group, Save Our Schools Arizona.

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  She's getting volunteers to call voters ahead of local elections.

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