Classified, or Not Classified?

分类,抑或非分类?

Radio Atlantic

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2025-03-27

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The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, and staff writer Shane Harris published more details from a Signal chat between President Donald Trump’s top advisers that included sensitive details about a military strike in Yemen. In screenshots published by The Atlantic, the defense secretary messaged information about strike targets and times of attack. Top Trump officials have denied both to reporters and in congressional hearings that the information in the chat was classified. We talk to Shane Harris, who covers national security, about how he would characterize the messages and what kind of reverberations to expect from this breach. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • This is Radio Atlantic.

  • I'm Claudina Baid in Farhana Rosen.

  • On Monday, the Atlantic reported that our editor in chief,

  • Jeffrey Goldberg, was added to a Signal Group chat.

  • It was a thread with senior Trump administration officials that included sensitive military information about an attack on Houthi targets in Yemen.

  • On the day of the attack, March 15,

  • Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared operational details two hours before the strikes.

  • And Brian Hughes, the spokesman for the National Security Council,

  • confirmed the veracity of the chat.

  • Earlier this week, Jeff and Atlantic staff writer Shane Harris were on the show.

  • Since then,

  • administration officials have roundly denied there was any classified information in the thread,

  • including in testimony before Congress.

  • Director Gabbard,

  • you are the security executive and set access guidelines for classified information.

  • Did you contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military planning was put out and say,

  • hey, we should be doing this in a scif?

  • There was no classified material that was shared in that scif.

  • So then if there was no classified material, share it with the committee.

  • With me now is Shane Harris, who covers national security.