PM x Radiolab: Can the economy grow forever?

PM与《Radiolab》对话:经济能否永远增长?

Planet Money

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2025-03-29

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Earth can sustain life for another 100 million years, but can we? This episode, we partner with Radiolab to take stock of the essential raw materials that enable us to live as we do here on Earth — everything from sand to copper to oil — and tally up how much we have left. Are we living with reckless abandon? And if so, is there even a way to stop? A simultaneously terrifying and delightful conversation about bird poop, daredevil drivers, and some staggering back-of-the-envelope math. Radiolab's original episode was produced and edited by Pat Walters and Soren Wheeler. Fact-checking by Natalie Middleton. The Planet Money edition of this episode was produced by Emma Peaslee and edited by Alex Goldmark and Jess Jiang. Special thanks to Jennifer Brandel. Find more Planet Money: Facebook / Instagram / TikTok / Our weekly Newsletter. Listen free at these links: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the NPR app or anywhere you get podcasts. Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney. Music: NPR Source Audio - "Wir Rollen" Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices NPR Privacy Policy
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  • This is Planet Money from npr.

  • A few weeks ago we got this kind of mind bending question.

  • It was from our friends at Radiolab, which is a show about science and philosophy and,

  • you know, just the sheer joy of curiosity.

  • And in this case they were curious about growth, in particular economic growth.

  • How could it possibly go on forever?

  • And can, can too much growth destroy us?

  • And in trying to answer their big question, we ended up in some pretty heady and unexpected places.

  • Hello and welcome to Planet Money.

  • I'm Jeff Guo and today we're doing something a little bit different.

  • We've teamed up with Radiolab and we're going to try to answer one of the biggest questions that often goes unsaid in economics.

  • Here's Latif Nasser from Radiolab to get us started.

  • Hey, this is Radiolab, I'm Latif Nasser.

  • What got me thinking about economic growth was not all the stuff that's in the news,

  • the tariffs, the fear of the recession, all that stuff that everybody's talking about.

  • What started it was a lecture I heard a little while back by of all people, an astrophysicist.

  • So I'm going to sketch what we know about Earth's history, cosmically speaking.

  • Her name is Sandra Faber.

  • She goes by Sandy, brilliant scientist.

  • She co authored the standard model for thinking about how galaxies form.