How Mark Rutte is trying to save NATO

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World in 10

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2025-04-04

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As NATO foreign ministers meet in Brussels, Secretary General Mark Rutte is on a diplomatic mission to preserve the alliance's unity. Former NATO Deputy Secretary General Rose Gottemoeller explains why he’s the man to both woo Donald Trump and get Europe to do more. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com  Photo: Getty Images Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to the world in 10.

  • In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • To date with me, Tom Noonan and Alex Dibble.

  • The Secretary General of NATO is busy at the best of times, in times that are not the best, even more so.

  • Every day, Mark Rutter wakes up and sets about trying to hold NATO together.

  • That task has been made more difficult by the United States.

  • Donald Trump and his team have said the US won't prop up and defend NATO allies

  • that the US doesn't feel are pulling their weight.

  • But many are confused by what appears to be mixed messages,