My friend said, you know, professor so and so, this is Hilary Rodham.
She's trying to decide between us and our nearest competitor, meaning Yale.
And this professor looked down at me and he said, well, first of all, we don't have a nearest competitor.
And secondly, we don't need any more women.
Hi, Steve.
Hi, Cheryl.
I am really thrilled because we're going to have Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton on the show today.
We are actually not in the studio.
We're backstage in Chicago at the auditorium theater at Roosevelt University.
We're literally in a very small room and there's kind of air conditioning going, and we might even hear some voices from the hallway.
That's how Diy this episode is.
That's right.
So today we're going to talk about that double bind that women find themselves in when they are ambitious or they achieve things and have success and often are made to feel bad about that, to explain themselves or apologize for their success.
And I think this is something, of course, you know, Hillary has a very unique vantage point.
She's the only woman in our entire history.
He's received the nomination for presidency from a major party.
But what I want to really talk to Hillary about is how her experience actually reflects the experience of so many women who are out there, you know, trying to become the manager at the restaurant where they work or trying to be the CEO of their company or rise in the ranks as an artist.
Well, it's funny because the way that I relate to this powerfully is both, obviously, having powerful women in my life, like you, friends and colleagues.
But I was raised by a woman who was one of five women in the Yale class, medical school class of 1963.
There were 75 men.