2021-05-03
1 小时 6 分钟So one of today's guests, iconic actress, producer, author and activist Marlo Thomas, never wanted to marry.
She saw what she believed as the way marriage had to be one person giving up their dream for another and just knew it wasn't for her.
And then one fateful day in 1977, she appeared as an hour long guest on the legendary daytime talk show hosted by my other guest today, Phil Donahue.
Both were smitten, to put it mildly.
They sensed something powerful had happened.
But neither of them knew that that conversation aired before millions of viewers on daytime tv, would effectively be a first date that would lead to a marriage that has now lasted more than four decades.
And more recently, reflecting on what makes a relationship last that long, they got really curious and began to set up double dates with many celebrity couples that they know and others that they didn't.
People like Viola Davis and her husband, actor Julius Tennon, filmmaker Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle, award winning journalists Bob Woodward and Elsa Walsh, Ted Danson and Mary Steen Burgeon, Neil Patrick Harris and his actor chef husband, David Burka, John Leguizamo and his wife Justine, and so many others.
And those hour long conversations, they went so deep, so fast, got so vulnerable and open and at times really hysterically funny.
They turned the interviews into the best selling book what makes a marriage last?
And now those conversations and more are featured in their new original podcast series, Double Date.
We had so much fun talking about those early moments in their lives and relationships, what was really going on in each one of their heads and hearts as they sat there across from each other trying to figure out what is really happening here in the early days and how those thoughts and conversations and the relationship has really evolved over time.
And what they learned when they sat down with so many people to uncover what it means, what it takes to be in a relationship for a really long time.
So excited to share this conversation with you.
I'm Jonathan Fields, and this is good life project.
So I think it would be fun to take a little bit of step back in time.
I want to dive into your exploration of long term partnerships, what brought you together, and also your deep dive, asking a lot of different couples how they have endured, but really curious about you individually a little bit first, Marlo, I know that as a kid, apparently your nickname was Miss Independence.
Yeah.
Tell me how that came about.
Oh, I guess because I was, you know, strong headed and wanted to do everything myself.